Garcia, Flores Disqualified from Aussie WQS Event

There is always more to the story. But the video I saw went a long way past self defense.

Flores has a very influential sponsor that wants their logo to be shown in the competitions. I'll bet the ASP bows to their corporate rulers and lets him off with a slap on the wrist.

The video you and everyone else saw was of the aftermath of what started everything. Sunny may have gone over the top in retaliation, but it sounds to me like this guy was being a complete asshole and deserved some of what he got. If someone hit your kid, what would you do? Everyone is so quick to jump on the Sunny's a thug bandwagon. Anyone who knows how important family is to the people of Hawaii and how hard Sunny had to work to have a decent life understands why he reacted the way he did. I don't condone the violence, but I can't say that I would be waving a peace flag at someone that just started a fight with my kid.

Listen, how stupid was this guy for starting a fight with the kid of someone that has a reputation for fighting? You can't tell me that he wasn't aware of who he was hitting. In my book, you're asking for it if you go there.

@nalu: if someone started a fight with my kid, I'd let my kid fight for himself.

The only thing more humiliating for a kid than getting beat up is having mommy or daddy fight your fights for you.

@Kooktastic: So in other words, you condone violence for your child? Or, are you saying that if your kid gets in a fight he's on his own? Would you do anything at all or simply watch the fight? Flores also tried to help Sunny's kid and the guy fought with him. Who's the thug here? How old was the guy that started the fight? Sunny's kid is 16 - would you just stand by and watch your 16 year old fight with a grown man? If so, I'm damn glad I'm not your kid. This wasn't a schoolyard scuffle.

@nalu: yep, if my kid gets in a fight he's on his own.

I'm Asian and I grew up in Wyoming during the Vietnam War. I've been in my share of fights, probably more than just about anyone here. Fighting sucks. There's nothing good about it. I was so glad when I got away to college in California and didn't have that bullsh*t thrust upon me anymore. My parents never intervened in any of the conflict, nor did I even once ask them to. Part of growing up is learning how to take care of your own business and not having Mommy and Daddy deal with your problems.

I'm glad I'm not your kid. Dude is likely to turn out to be a Momma's boy.

Part of growing up is learning how to take care of your own business without resorting to violence. If that would make someone a Momma's boy, then I guess I prefer a Momma's boy. I never once said I would fight like Sunny did. Nor did I say I would simply step in and take over a situation that my child was involved in. You are really taking liberties with your interpretation of my words. You cry about your childhood and say fighting sucks, but then you say if your kid gets in a fight he's on his own. Bad parenting. Make up your mind - do you condone violence or not? It sounds to me like you condone it.

And, don't talk to me about your childhood. Try growing up haole in Hawaii back in the 60's and we'll talk about how rough things can be. I dealt with it and didn't get into fights - I guess that makes me a Momma's boy in your book.

I read on STAB that the local was a tough guy mma fighter punk and a grown adult. Sonny's son is 16. If I was his dad I don't think I could just stand there and let him "take care of his own business." All that aside, Jeremy will be a king on the north shore, after his winter season charging, his Pipe Masters win and now this. Better to be taken in as a respected 'local' on the north shore than anything else so it will work out in his favor. As much as the ASP opposes this kind of behavior, they know that every professional sport feeds off of this kind of buzz and secretly hopes for this kind of drama to keep things interesting.

I grew up a middle-class twat in the north of england in the early 70's. ever seen a real english skinhead up close? god, I'm so glad I live in california.

one time back in the early 80's in los angeles, i got jumped by 3 crips tripping balls on pcp. my mom wasn't there, but i don't think she would have been much help.

@nalu: a Momma's boy is someone who has Mommy or Daddy take care of their problems instead of taking care of it themselves. It has nothing to do with violence or the lack thereof.

@yagz: did you watch the video? That wasn't an MMA guy.

you are right, I used the term MMA liberally.......from what I read (someone who personally knows the guy) he is a "fighter" and a "tough guy"

you could tell when he was being choked out that he was trying to "tap out" so that might indicate some MMA style training.

Looked like a normal reaction to getting pwnt, not some tap out...blindly flailing arms to the source of the SNAKE HOLD.

I once had a fight with a gangmember - real tough...eight years old. I almost had her with the sissie-girl fight in the schoolyard but I was overcome by her barrage of slaps.
Don't mess with me.

Why fight, just hugs and kisses please..

HAHA! Take the damn STICKERS off the hats.