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Rant - peace and love

A Lesson in Love for the Stokereport
Or
Open Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow

Sorry all, for this is long, but please read it if you are a regular contributor to “the Stokereport.”

Long time surf scribe and Ocean Beach regular since the 1980s, Matt Warshaw was most likely accurate when he claimed that Ocean Beach’s surfing population possessed more graduate degrees than any other lineup in the world. And who could argue with such a statement? Given Ocean Beach’s location at the edge of the global city of San Francisco, and with Silicon Valley just down the road, San Francisco’s lineups are full of “brainiacs” – surgeons, lawyers, financial analysts, professors, tech guys—many of whom have had the good fortune to pursue an education and subsequently work in a field that interests them.

For what it’s worth (and apparently it isn’t much, based on the replies I receive to my comments on this site), I would like to revise Warshaw’s statement: For a surfing community with so many graduate degrees and white collar intellectuals, Ocean Beach is sure full of idiots.

In saying this, I am not referring to the un-educated heathen, the tradesmen, the blue collar laborers, or such types with whom we share the ocean. In fact, the “idiot” reference most likely applies to you, Mr. or Mrs. or Miss Stokereporter with a graduate degree.

Before you get defensive, please allow me to elaborate. Please listen and attempt to understand a viewpoint from a perspective other than your own—heck, it’s what we are taught to do in formal education, right?

I concede that the “Stokereporter” is a fairly harmless species, one which aims to “do good” in the name of “stoke.” And from what I can gather, the premise of this website is to “share the stoke” by posting information about surfing and the surf culture that we all love so much. The Stokereporter does this well—s/he welcomes newcomers who are like-minded; s/he engages in friendly dialogue ranging from board design to product reviews to tips and pointers on how to enhance one’s surfing abilities. Heck, the Stokereporter even uses modern technology (stokereport.com) to invite complete strangers to join him/her in the act of riding waves and in pursuing the pure yet elusive “overflow of spontaneous, powerful feelings” that result from playing directly in the sea.

Wonderful. All good. All great, actually.

Now for the idiot reference: despite his/her good intentions and vows to act in accordance with spreading goodwill and cheer (i.e. “stoke”), the Stokereporter often offends, upsets, irritates, or otherwise disturbs his/her neighbors. Now, this is no sin or flagrant foul if such an offense is committed “in ignorance”; that is, if the “offender” has no idea s/he has “offended” another, then even if there is harm done, this action can be excused. However, when the offender (Stokereporter, in this case) continues to knowingly act in ways that upset or offend his/her own neighbors, fellow human beings with whom s/he shares sacred space beyond the high tide line, well, then we have a problem.

The simple facts are that Stokereporters provide real-time reports of surfing locations and broadcast this information to an unknown public audience. Some of these reports include photos, others include video. Each report comes with a time-stamp which the audience can use to gauge exactly when the report was made and thereby infer its accuracy. Some photos and video appear on this website that publicize not-so-well known spots and tempt anyone who is “surf stoked” to go and pay these new spots a visit.

Now, here is the rub: behind his/her façade of good intentions, the Stokereporter continues to provide such reports even when numerous critics have argued against it. “It’s a free country!” some claim; “###### isn’t a secret spot!!” others chide. “You don’t own this ocean!”

Rather than stop, listen, and acknowledge the feelings and messages of others, the Stokereporter becomes defensive, perhaps because s/he realizes that s/he has committed a foul and grows defensive accordingly, but more likely due to the fact that s/he has been publicly reprimanded for committing an act of sin in the surfing world, thereby tarnishing his/her Stokereport reputation and cyber-persona. Thus, the naysayer/renegade (s/he who criticizes the Stokereport), despite his efforts to reason with Stokereporters and engage in dialogue using the very medium the Stokereporter uses to articulate wave reports, is chastised for being “negative” and antipodal to the mission of the Stokereporter species. Many such villains voice their concerns to the Stokereport community respectfully, yet these naysayers are ridiculed or become banned from the site for offering perspectives that differ from those of the masses, the general Stokereport community.

Interestingly enough, many Stokereporters are newcomers to surfing and to the surfing lifestyle; most if not all are not from San Francisco. So what we have here then is a newer population coming into a territory and ignoring the pleas of the indigenous people. But I digress…
Back to my “idiot” reference—to knowingly offend others, to refuse to acknowledge the concerns of his neighbors, and to be blind to the fact that the Stokereport—while it may spread cheer to some—upsets many others, the Stokereporter is both incongruous and asinine. Rather than spreading the peace and love s/he advocates, the Stokereporter is abusing public space with little regard for how s/he affects others within that space.

To close, I’d like to quote a well known local, overheard changing out of his wetsuit on the side of the road, location not-to-be-disclosed except for zip 94122:

“For so many ‘well educated’ people in San Francisco, there sure are a lot of idiots here.”

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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Mark cutback Johnson
21 weeks ago

To preface: I regularly check stoke report for accurate up to the minute reports 99% of time for Ocean beach to compare with other sites (surfline, etc.) due to my tight schedule (i'm in the final semester of a Masters degree)...not sure if I will be considered an idiot, realist, or ?

I understand your post and have had similar thoughts/questions myself.
I've been led to a few more questions and answers.
1.) how do we measure the resulting effect on a surf spot due to a site like this' existence compared to other sites like magicseaweed, surfline, noaa, weather, etc?

2.) does the "sharing" and "community" guise of this site make it more of a cultural and local point of reference then above mentioned corporate (world) sites?

3.) Why is the individual held to a higher standard then those who "represent" us. Why aren't quiksilver/billabong/taylor steelle/surfline/volcom/ASP/etc. held responsible for crowds at "our" surf spots - it is their mission to expand markets/normalize the surfing lifestyle to more people, whereas stokereport has no audience comparably.

4.) Is it the fact that the individual or little guy is more accessible and vulnerable as a culprit or scape-goat the real reason that they may be blamed vs. the relative inaccessibility of quiksilver, for instance, who is untouchable without a major P.R. campaign/boycott which may in turn contradict itself by creating more buzzzz around surfing?

5.) Should the real goal be to change the image of surfing to what it once was...an activity for degenerate, lazy, hippie-type drug users who don't fit into industrialized society?

I don't mean to be cynical or adversarial but this is a real issue that has been discussed for some time - at this point the individual is overpowered. Consider this next time you tune into a webcast, shop at a surf shop, buy any surf related product, etc.

Pete Swedra
21 weeks ago

That was an absolutely brilliant post. Of course, it's hovering at something like -4 right now, which only proves your point further.

wietse
21 weeks ago

Probably the most well thought out message ever posted here, no surprise it got voted down by the idiots. If John Quinn had any editorial sense he'd perma-boost this and make sure it was the first thing seen by everyone for a month.

tehdely
21 weeks ago

The gauntlet has been dropped!

POWERWORD: IRL NAME!!!

wietse
21 weeks ago

Probably the most well thought out message ever posted here, no surprise it got voted down by the idiots. If John Quinn had any editorial sense he'd perma-boost this and make sure it was the first thing seen by everyone for a month.

Kooktastic
21 weeks ago

@mahu: I've a couple of issues with your reasoning:

1) committing a "foul". Public reporting is a foul only by your ethics. You're projecting your ethics onto the community at large and the community at large has a diverse range of opinion on this subject and over time the ethics will move towards more openness.

2) Your contention that those who disagree with you are new to the sport and are from SF. I just moved here from San Diego and have been surfing since 1982. I have found localism to be extremely distasteful for the entire 28 years I've been surfing and IMO, the diss on "stokereporting" is merely an extension of localism.

3) San Francisco is a major metropolitan area. The breaks reported on in this site are next to dense population centers. If one chooses to live in or in close proximity to a dense population center, generally it behooves to learn to share. If you don't like surfing with the "idiots" (your words), there are hundreds of miles of unspoilt coastline just north of here for you to enjoy all by yourself. Why bring negative energy unto yourself (and others) by hanging with the idiots?

greacen
21 weeks ago

Sir, this community is built upon the idea that sharing knowledge and experience is equal to sharing fun. If this isn't the community for you, vote with your feet and walk away. Your perspective is neither new nor unique. Your comment about indigenous people borders on laughable. If you want to change the masses, embrace them and show them the value and correctness of your perspective. If it is valuabe and correct, the masses will follow.

tehdely
21 weeks ago

All this posturing is just window-dressing for what comes down to a basic culture clash. There's people who don't like "our type" out there. This easily explains the hypocrisy of not only posting reports themselves, but of completely ignoring the wealth of real-time information available from any number of commercial surf forecasting sites.

It's not about what we do, it's about who we are, and it would be nice if somebody just up and said it.

lee
21 weeks ago

I'm normally at the beach or in the water by the time any one is posting on SR. I can't imagine for any stoked / keen surfer that SR has much if any impact on where and when they surf.

I'd say the big forecasting sites and brands are far more to blame for crowds than SR. I always check these sites the night before and mostly base my decision on where to surf the next day from their information and my experience. What also constantly cracks me up is the regularly empty breaks I seem to keep surfing in and around SF. For example, epic, empty Rockaway this morning.

:-)

Oh, I am new to SF (my second winter here), but I have been surfing for 15 years.

Rev.MCC
21 weeks ago

I just have to wonder if "time surfing" is all that great a measure of one's claim to authority on these topics of reporting/posting. I could use this rhetorical logic to say
"I've been alive longer than you with more experience so you should just go ahead and die when I tell you too."
or
"I've been alive longer than you so you have to listen to me tell you who/where/how to be."

That is the logic of the overall argument and I am not sure I buy it. Now to be sure I have not been surfing for years and years. But I do surf AND I use other sites to "decide" where I am going to go for a surf. I use this site to hear about other folks sessions (and at times say to myself dang I should have gone there... I knew it!) and to share in the positive attitude.

If you see me (a kook) at your "spot" it is because I used surfline, surfpulse, waverider, spitcast, my iphone, a tide chart, buoy data, NOAA, NASA, and the weather channel to decide where to be.. Blame them (and so as not to be a hypocrite stop using them yourself) and blame whatever force in the universe you think is responsible for my loving to surf.. Anywhere that it is within my ability or near enough so I can grow as a surfer at any time the waves/tides/weather are right.. Which I suspect is EXACTLY how you decide where & when to go..

Finally since I have lived near the water in CA for 25 years I think I do get some say in how our "culture" should be and I for one vote for open, positive, compassionate, and stoked. Which is why I value this site and I hope you will do the same for the same reasons. I am not trying to "convince" anyone I am just saying we can share the waves, the stoke, and our sessions and if you don't want to then all the best to you.. be safe out there by yourself.

H20MansLibrary
21 weeks ago

I don't have a PhD, but I found the original post to be:

1. Overwritten, rambling and borderline pretentious
2. Based on flawed romantic stereotypes of all tradespeople being honest, and educated people being inconsiderate idiots
3. Intellectually uninformed by referring to local surfers as indigenous; this ain't Hawaii and I don't see any Miwoks in the line-up
4. An insult inelegantly wrapped in a poorly constructed argument

sticker
21 weeks ago

If Mahu's not BVB hiding behind the Hawaiian slang for word "transvestite" (yea, I get your attempt to be clever there), I'll eat my shorts. That post had all the BVB trademarks--barely lucid ramblings of a clown using big words in an attempt to hide the fact that what he was saying was, at best, poorly flawed logic.

This is a classic dogs vs cats, pro choice vs pro life, democrats vs republicans argument.

soulivong
20 weeks ago

I liked the original post tbh, because it rang of the 'old' cultural ways, and generally I can get pretty nostalgic even though I'm a new surfer.
But I agree with @sticker in that we have a continually flagellating 'tastes great less filling' conundrum :)

Kooktastic
20 weeks ago

@sticker: who's BVB?

chrispy
20 weeks ago

Bad Vibes Bob: An infamous website-nomadic local funboarding troll. Here's a sample of his work: http://postsurf.com/2009/07/26/comment-of-the-week-bvb-vs-sup/

DropInTheBucket
20 weeks ago

only posers like drama

Kooktastic
20 weeks ago

@chrispy: that incident amuses me in a Beavis and Butthead sort of way.

Do you think he really did that or is it exagerrated?

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